tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post7740015887221761862..comments2024-03-28T10:30:51.283+01:00Comments on Grain de musc: Humiecki & Graef by Christophe Laudamiel: The Day Perfume Turned Dayglocarmencanada /Grain de Muschttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-529227597318571402008-11-23T12:09:00.000+01:002008-11-23T12:09:00.000+01:00Jarvis, this is actually an ongoing conversation (...Jarvis, this is actually an ongoing conversation (via blogs but also directly) between Octavian and myself. He has added a post recently on irony in fragrance, inspired by the H & G which we smelled together. It's an incredibly fertile dialogue, and we're having a lot of fun along the way...carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-45936006520592032222008-11-23T11:25:00.000+01:002008-11-23T11:25:00.000+01:00Hi, D -- what fun! I'm catching up on all my blog ...Hi, D -- what fun! I'm catching up on all my blog reading on my way home from France. You make these all sound like so much fun.<BR/><BR/>This follows up somewhat on the discussion started on Octavian's blog a few weeks ago about (post)modernism in fragrance, no? In that a postmodern approach so often makes use of irony in its appropriation, deconstruction, and redeployment of "classic" elements.Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-40548735175505772672008-11-22T16:38:00.000+01:002008-11-22T16:38:00.000+01:00ScentScelf, thanks for the compliment...I know exa...ScentScelf, thanks for the compliment...<BR/><BR/>I know exactly the type of discussion you're referring to, they seem to pop up all around the Western world -- they're quite characteristic of Generations X and Y.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-18192791112760884512008-11-22T15:32:00.000+01:002008-11-22T15:32:00.000+01:00CC,I knew the pop/punk references were yours...I m...CC,<BR/>I knew the pop/punk references were yours...I may have allowed myself to get a little too lost in the delirium of freewheeling associations your creative linkage inspired in me...probably because it created a direct memory to the heady, giddy, ridiculous conversations of a bunch of post-modern grad students tossing around high/low culture connections and using the "rigor" of academic thought to at times simply indulge personal madeleines of association.<BR/><BR/>You have indeed caught my thought about irony/sarcasm; thank you for the clarification of detournement.<BR/><BR/>I admire, by the way, the way you so frequently capture both the intellectual and emotional--superego & id?--sides of scent. You also present in such a comfortable, open style that is the best of that kind of dialogue...a zone which both stimulates and makes comfortable the expression of ideas.ScentScelfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264276265890227820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-77237231992990970292008-11-19T22:27:00.000+01:002008-11-19T22:27:00.000+01:00Cait, sometimes boy perfumers just wanna have fun....Cait, sometimes boy perfumers just wanna have fun. We can't judge Laudamiel's intentions, just its effects on us (fun too).carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-65938266615825825342008-11-19T19:08:00.000+01:002008-11-19T19:08:00.000+01:00I heard something on the radio yesterday: "Sinceri...I heard something on the radio yesterday: "Sincerity has as much to do with good songwriting as it does with good cooking." It brought me back to this conversation. To counter my initial search for "genuine emotional content" I now quote this gem.Caitlin Shortellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15580765911199060109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-37080580113423528082008-11-19T13:13:00.000+01:002008-11-19T13:13:00.000+01:00Scentself: the pop references are all mine, not im...Scentself: the pop references are all mine, not implied by H&G's promotional material.<BR/>The people in the test tubes are the members of the 70s British punk band X-Ray Spex, who produced such hits as "Oh Bondage Up Yours" (what's not to love?).<BR/>About sarcasm... I honestly don't think this is the case here. As I write in the post, the French Situationist notion of "détournement" is untranslatable, but does not denote sarcasm, although I would agree that for the past 20 years or so, irony, in the sense of exposing the subtext of a given cultural/social discourse through displacement, has often devolved into sarcasm as a general, sterile and often infantile stance.<BR/>Again, I don't think this is what is at play here.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-12977925320619262432008-11-19T02:58:00.000+01:002008-11-19T02:58:00.000+01:00Wait, I do have a High Thought: doesn't ironic ge...Wait, I do have a High Thought: doesn't ironic gesture sometimes simply become sarcasm?ScentScelfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264276265890227820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-49729247713287491832008-11-19T02:57:00.000+01:002008-11-19T02:57:00.000+01:00I've come back and read this once each day since y...I've come back and read this once each day since you posted. I'm having fun with it, with the fun of the B-52 references threaded along, and with my inability to shake my initial "read" of the illustration: that those people were in a Star Trek type transporter. (You can imagine the stew of high concept and pop reference that swirls around inside those tubes when I imagine them activated, with your prose informing what's going on inside the transporter/scent tube/whatever.)<BR/><BR/>A stew which reflects the fact that this is the most tangential, least cohesive response I've ever had the nerve to hit "publish" for. Good thing Cait is here to hold up the thinking end of things. (Waves "hi" to Cait... :-) ...)<BR/><BR/>I am forever knocked off my high horse about the tears of Skarb. You've piqued my interest about Geste, though--and this time, it's all about the smell. (As opposed to Skarb, where I had fallen prey to concept.)ScentScelfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264276265890227820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-3715985280302077802008-11-18T22:42:00.000+01:002008-11-18T22:42:00.000+01:00Cait, I kind of try to alternate between the stuff...Cait, I kind of try to alternate between the stuff that titillates my brainwaves and the stuff I feel just plain happy to wear... Some perfumes achieve both.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-51170990602848444792008-11-18T20:41:00.000+01:002008-11-18T20:41:00.000+01:00Good point. Must think and of course, smell.Good point. Must think and of course, smell.Caitlin Shortellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15580765911199060109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-13532895979848175162008-11-18T13:20:00.000+01:002008-11-18T13:20:00.000+01:00Cait, those are pretty heavy questions... I'm not ...Cait, those are pretty heavy questions... I'm not sure I'm looking for genuine emotional content here (or in specific branches of contemporary art), though playfulness clearly has to do with feelings (pleasure, stimulation, fun, the thrill of discovery). My biggest kick is having something of my outlook teased, tweaked or transformed, and the best jokes do that, don't they?carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-89940639198062846062008-11-18T04:17:00.000+01:002008-11-18T04:17:00.000+01:00I think this my lucky day. I got an intriguing in...I think this my lucky day. I got an intriguing invitation, have been smelling fabulous perfume all day, and now I have had my curiosity thoroughly piqued by your article right before going to see Coixet's Elegy. What do you make of pop art that rebuffs or plays with the listener or wearer? Do you think it's a joke or does it seem to have any genuine emotional content? I am always plagued by that question whether it's Warhol or these zippy new perfumes that I definitely want to try.Caitlin Shortellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15580765911199060109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-91985018403373613332008-11-17T20:12:00.000+01:002008-11-17T20:12:00.000+01:00Oblitterati, the one that says "new wave party" to...Oblitterati, the one that says "new wave party" to me most clearly is Eau Radieuse. Geste would be more for the "after" part of the story. But all just pulse away with energy.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-78255087511402573312008-11-17T20:10:00.000+01:002008-11-17T20:10:00.000+01:00March, I was preparing for some eye-rolling as wel...March, I was preparing for some eye-rolling as well, but you're right, these are just the right side of niche (although the Multiple Rouge one may be on the wrong side of a migraine for me). I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the star-shaped development...carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-35707193660439701682008-11-17T19:53:00.000+01:002008-11-17T19:53:00.000+01:00What a great post! I can't wait to try the scents ...What a great post! I can't wait to try the scents from Planet Claire. Fizzy new wave party fragrance may just be the best thing ever.the oblitteratihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06378200477501417142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-25356095108373453222008-11-17T15:40:00.000+01:002008-11-17T15:40:00.000+01:00You noted the playfulness in these, and thanks for...You noted the playfulness in these, and thanks for additional information about their construction that I didn't know. (And thanks for the link.) I was so prepared to be eye-rollingly underwhelmed by these, given the "mission statement." And they're fun. They're niche in the best way -- in the sense of not being immediately familiar, not smelled-this-15-times-already. Also: niche in the sense of pushing boundaries but without making them deliberately horrifying (like Secretions) which is where I thought these might wind up, given Laudamiel's coffret and the S-ex scents. I didn't run out and buy any of them, but gosh, they were fun to smell.marchlionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04070673036388745001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-78213070414520610652008-11-17T09:39:00.000+01:002008-11-17T09:39:00.000+01:00Matt, the punk inference is all mine (I think -- o...Matt, the punk inference is all mine (I think -- only Laudamiel could tell for sure). But hey, I actually got that B52's single when it first came out (now I'm really showing my age) and deduced a whole way of dressing purely from the song. If you're really nice I'll tell you some day what Kate and Cindy said about *that*!<BR/>The H&G frags are very, very different from the État Libre, well worth a try (click on their website, you'll see the bottle graphics).carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-44471105615017924842008-11-17T05:47:00.000+01:002008-11-17T05:47:00.000+01:00Wow. Great post; I'm now so excited and intereste...Wow. Great post; I'm now so excited and interested in smelling these. The idea of punk perfumery appeals to me; it's what I wanted from Etat Libre d'Orange and I think they succeed to a large to degree. But there's always room for more. Plus Christophe Laudamiel is pretty easy on the eyes. Plus you referenced the B-52's at their finest. "Everybody had matching towels!!" In fact, a coffret of these scents with packaging inspired by the X-ray Specs album cover you posted would have my money in three clicks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com