tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post7719995156225454849..comments2024-03-28T10:30:51.283+01:00Comments on Grain de musc: The Different Company's CEO on upcoming EU regulations: "Europe will be killing part of its memory and contribution to the beauty of the world"carmencanada /Grain de Muschttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-70724021712518258942019-05-11T09:45:09.582+02:002019-05-11T09:45:09.582+02:00Nice postNice postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-2222817697557601062014-02-22T10:12:29.685+01:002014-02-22T10:12:29.685+01:00Geco, your first assertion is not corroborated by ...Geco, your first assertion is not corroborated by investments made in natural ingredients sourcing by major companies. But I'd be interested to know how you propose to stop the current process?carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-66174811175984817692014-02-21T23:38:49.379+01:002014-02-21T23:38:49.379+01:00Dear Carmen, i think 4 things.
1) Big aromachem co...Dear Carmen, i think 4 things.<br />1) Big aromachem companies want to replace the natural oils to sell their synthetic creations.<br />2) The great perfume houses want them to be few producers who can make perfumes.<br />3) The rules IFRA and EU help these results.<br />4) We do NOT have to remain indifferent to such things. We have to stop them.<br />Good things,<br />gecoSitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968172991828703162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-90097987612451442202014-02-21T22:34:48.200+01:002014-02-21T22:34:48.200+01:00Let's hope that this scenario won't come t...Let's hope that this scenario won't come to pass. No one actually has an interest in killing off naturals, even if just for economic motives -- including to preserve the livelihood of growers all around the world. That is an argument decision-makers can hear.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-73009540838253242652014-02-21T22:03:44.696+01:002014-02-21T22:03:44.696+01:00Dear Carmen, really I am not so advanced in perfu...Dear Carmen, really I am not so advanced in perfumery as you kindly think, making healing fragrances or spiritual ones. I am making natural perfumes only because natural raw materials are the most beautiful ingredients available to perfumers, and I delight myself making olfactory jewels. <br />In this optique, what you say is even more true, there is no natural perfumery without natural ingredients, The only option that the bigs would like to leave me is to use their patented bio-tech single molecules diligently certified organic by ecocert.AbdesSalaam Attarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10381476702427212770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-91904155595919101172014-02-21T18:23:00.811+01:002014-02-21T18:23:00.811+01:00That is, somehow, an oddly poetic perspective... l...That is, somehow, an oddly poetic perspective... like something out of a science-fiction story.<br />But of course, I understand your concern since your approach of perfumery as a healing, spiritual practice can literally not exist within stringent regulations on naturals.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-12131750780120837452014-02-21T18:10:24.248+01:002014-02-21T18:10:24.248+01:00Today law makers would declare naturals being harm...Today law makers would declare naturals being harmful and synthetic being safe. Tomorrow someone will claim that chemical rose in more ethical because you do not have to kill real roses to obtain it.AbdesSalaam Attarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10381476702427212770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-85328419959149640232014-02-21T13:16:40.988+01:002014-02-21T13:16:40.988+01:00Sito, if you look up my later post of EU regulatio...Sito, if you look up my later post of EU regulations, you'll see that the point is not only to protect people who are already allergic via labeling and information, but also to prevent people from developing allergies (which can unfortunately happen to any of us at any time). That said, there is certainly a market for fragrances free of known allergens.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-26715387730754017962014-02-21T13:11:44.278+01:002014-02-21T13:11:44.278+01:00You have to do special perfume allergen-free only ...You have to do special perfume allergen-free only for those who are allergic (1-3% of people) . A little niche. All other perfumes should be free,without limitations or prohibitions .Limit only substances definitely carcenogene (with scientific evidence on quantity/time dose for persons). For all others perfumes, just a label !<br />Linalool,oakmoss and sandalwood limited or prohibited but alchool and tobacco,legal? This is dirty,very dirty... Sitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968172991828703162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-30950219854089441112014-02-21T03:07:20.934+01:002014-02-21T03:07:20.934+01:00Tobacco and alcohol are deadly. Lethal for liver a...Tobacco and alcohol are deadly. Lethal for liver and lung cancer. But just a label. <br />Oak moss, rose oil, linalool and sandalwood prohibit?? For them, not just a label?? <br />We need to unite against the big interests aromachemical and majors! <br />In states where it is allowed we have to start boycotts of perfumes and aromatic products of the majors! <br />We need to make an international site for complaint! <br />We need to do a petition around the world wide web! <br />We need to buy only natural scents or perfumes vintage! <br />We need to connect to large environmental organizations world! <br />Big business knows only the balance of power and interests, we have to work on that front. <br />Do you want to start you writing a manifesto against the limitations of natural materials and to solve the problem with a simple label on the perfume?Sitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968172991828703162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-87205789983102287992014-02-20T20:33:42.981+01:002014-02-20T20:33:42.981+01:00Even so, you'd have to distinguish irritation ...Even so, you'd have to distinguish irritation from allergies, which are two different types of reaction. I doubt very many people go on to develop chronic eczema from fragrance allergies, but it must certainly make their lives miserable. Measures must be taken so that they get suitable information to avoid those allergens. The thing is, we're exposed to high amounts of fragrance ingredients through almost everything that touches our skin, starting with detergents and fabric softeners. So you've got to measure how much people are exposed not only through fine fragrance, but throughout their daily life.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-37077951976988782062014-02-20T20:29:51.865+01:002014-02-20T20:29:51.865+01:00Normand, I have no idea how many people the cumula...Normand, I have no idea how many people the cumulated readership of perfume blogs represent, but I wonder whether the number is significant on the scale of fragrance buyers...<br /><br />Money talks indeed, but I think from the EU's standpoint it would be more significant to measure up what severe restrictions on naturals would cost all the way down the line, from growers to brands. It seems like a more convincing argument in the current economic context.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-90449880268940748232014-02-20T20:19:42.885+01:002014-02-20T20:19:42.885+01:00i've had reactions, too - to "natural&quo...i've had reactions, too - to "natural" skincare and most aggressively chanel skincare! don't let chanel eye creams anywhere near my eyes! omg! and, as you, i just toss or return. end of story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-84173497817836485802014-02-20T05:04:55.935+01:002014-02-20T05:04:55.935+01:00I'm thinking that only an all-out boycott will...I'm thinking that only an all-out boycott will make a difference. All bloggers ask their readers to STOP buying perfume for 1 month, say March, in protest. Nothing else will have the impact that we need... petitions are useless. Only money talks.<br /><br />NormandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-2963364061978082242014-02-20T00:48:49.452+01:002014-02-20T00:48:49.452+01:00Minette, fragrance allergies concern about 2% of t...Minette, fragrance allergies concern about 2% of the population, so we might go through our lives without encountering one of them. Especially since this type of allergy, if it is not severe, will prompt people to just stop using a product. I've had bad reactions to organic face creams full of essential oils: I just chucked them, end of story!<br />Labeling seems to be the preferred option for EU regulators: I'll be posting about this tomorrow (or later today, depending on your time zone!).carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-66196367895128223532014-02-19T22:24:00.814+01:002014-02-19T22:24:00.814+01:00i would love to meet all of those for whom these n...i would love to meet all of those for whom these notes are allergans. i have yet to encounter one. my mother and grandmothers wore perfume their whole lives, here and in france, scents with these and other "dangerous" molecules, and no one had the slightest problem with them - neither did any of the women or men i encountered growing. it has only been recently, and with modern perfumes, that i have seen any sneezing or heard any complaining about scents. <br /><br />again, why doesn't the industry just label its products and let US decide what we want to buy and wear? it's not as though there are legions of people being hurt by oakmoss! i mean, i use it in soaps, have it in powder and essential form, and all it does is smell fantastic! i know, statistically small sample, but come on, i'm not the only one who's had this experience.<br /><br />a few years ago when frederic malle visited here, i asked him how he felt about the ifra changes, and he seemed perfectly on board with them. i was surprised. i wonder what he is thinking and saying about these things now???<br /><br />cheers,<br />minette<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-6178541669397843742014-02-19T11:53:04.375+01:002014-02-19T11:53:04.375+01:00Bien sûr Corinna. Je publierai d'ici demain de...Bien sûr Corinna. Je publierai d'ici demain de nouvelles informations moins alarmistes que celles de Luc Gabriel, qui permettront d'éclairer cette discussion, j'espère.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-87276840081704180262014-02-19T11:50:59.601+01:002014-02-19T11:50:59.601+01:00Chère Denyse, je suis en train de créer une page f...Chère Denyse, je suis en train de créer une page facebook comme plateforme ouverte de discussion sur ce sujet pour centraliser les échanges en vue d'une éventuelle pétition contre cette consultation. Pourrais-je me référer à votre blog en publiant un lien vers cet article? Cordialement, CorinnaCorinnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-41085263810379225152014-02-19T10:26:13.070+01:002014-02-19T10:26:13.070+01:00You can't for the moment as far as I know, it&...You can't for the moment as far as I know, it's just an expression of interest.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-5003374297707492772014-02-19T10:10:32.953+01:002014-02-19T10:10:32.953+01:00Denise, where can I find more information about UN...Denise, where can I find more information about UN and IFRA?Olga Rusuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12442790414253997574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-45033256963575373122014-02-19T08:45:45.452+01:002014-02-19T08:45:45.452+01:00I submitted the report to a pharmacologist working...I submitted the report to a pharmacologist working for a state regulatory body, aka "mon papa", and his reaction was "this science is out of the Middle Ages". Bear in mind that this is an opinion paper though, and that from what I'm hearing, the powers that be in Brussels are very much aware that the science behind it is far from robust.<br />Thank you for the link!carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-86581771993529382612014-02-19T08:41:43.991+01:002014-02-19T08:41:43.991+01:00Maggie, the issue of allergens in cosmetics opens ...Maggie, the issue of allergens in cosmetics opens a whole new can of worms... But from the noises I'm getting, labeling and consumer information rather than extreme restrictions seems to be on the agenda.<br />And I'm glad you enjoyed my book!carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-82843096140578342612014-02-19T07:45:53.858+01:002014-02-19T07:45:53.858+01:00I thought Mark Behnke's scientific criticisms ...I thought Mark Behnke's scientific criticisms of some of the existing studies were extremely pertinent. Very much worth taking a look. The lack of controls seems rather shocking. http://colognoisseur.com/editorial-90-days-til-the-end-of-perfume/Redneck Perfumistohttp://cologniac.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-81425035157311452992014-02-19T02:43:18.929+01:002014-02-19T02:43:18.929+01:00It's not as though we need perfume in order to...It's not as though we need perfume in order to survive (even though we do), and even certain foods, like peanuts which can be deadly, have not been banned, so why create this nanny state legislation for products that can easily be avoided by the affected community? Most of those proposed ingredients can be found in skincare which comes in direct contact with the body, while perfume doesn't even have to be worn on the skin. It can be sprayed on hair, scarves, gloves, paper, purses . . . etc. Please count me in if you put together a petition. I'd do it myself if I weren't so busy working with those "outlaw" substances! ps. enjoyed your book!Maggie Mahboubianhttp://www.lalunnaturals.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-8485684857105323912014-02-18T20:31:54.062+01:002014-02-18T20:31:54.062+01:00Olga, that is precisely the line IFRA has taken: t...Olga, that is precisely the line IFRA has taken: the economic argument is indeed more convincing, and the UN is very interested in the results of IFRA's investigations.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.com