tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post4784270133406328067..comments2024-03-17T09:15:32.662+01:00Comments on Grain de musc: Kelly Calèche, The Parfum: Could I Have Some Leather With Those Flowers?carmencanada /Grain de Muschttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-53338787429566109222011-06-05T00:57:07.735+02:002011-06-05T00:57:07.735+02:00Merci for the review, especially for the extrait. ...Merci for the review, especially for the extrait. I have both the EdT and EdP and really appreciate them, and I was wondering if the extrait is more grapefruit-y. The emphasis of the EdP is more fruity so for the stronger concentrazion you could go fruitier oder "more leather". <br />JCE went an unexpected way it seems, now I thnik I might invest in the extrait.Andreeahttp://www.mybeautyblog.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-83418422895479630402008-11-16T19:51:00.000+01:002008-11-16T19:51:00.000+01:00Hi Parfum, and welcome. Haven't smelled the new Si...Hi Parfum, and welcome. Haven't smelled the new Sisley... Glad I'm not the only one not getting leather in KC, though! (Well, actually, I'd rather be glad I'm getting it...).carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-36689829673695165202008-11-16T19:24:00.000+01:002008-11-16T19:24:00.000+01:00I had the same experience when I tried this parfum...I had the same experience when I tried this parfum in Munich airport, I was trying to find the leather but found nothing :(<BR/><BR/>Fortunatley the newest Sisley was right beside it, so I could discover it - now that is a beautiful parfum !Parfumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16266604469164900016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-2857545891046767702008-11-16T01:17:00.000+01:002008-11-16T01:17:00.000+01:00Hi, D -- I literally stumbled upon Regia and the m...Hi, D -- I literally stumbled upon Regia and the museum this evening, but unfortunately they were about to close. I will revisit them on Monday (they are literally two blocks away from my hotel, which I did not realize). I can't wait...Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-37114844521730008182008-11-15T15:34:00.000+01:002008-11-15T15:34:00.000+01:00Jarvis, that was my perception of the KC in parfum...Jarvis, that was my perception of the KC in parfum as well.<BR/>As for the "dirty": I know JCE loves Eau d'Hermès (by his master Roudnitska), and that Rose Poivrée is felt by many to be pungent, but one could quote as many counter-examples -- as discussion best saved for Helg's post on the subject ;-)!<BR/>About Eau d'Hermès and JCE, I am saving an anecdote for a future post...<BR/>BTW, did you get a chance to visit the Perfumeria Regia and its little museum?carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-26443632777584891862008-11-15T08:17:00.000+01:002008-11-15T08:17:00.000+01:00Hello, D --I had a chance to sample KC the parfum ...Hello, D --<BR/><BR/>I had a chance to sample KC the parfum at the local Hermès boutique in Barcelona (apparently, it just opened a couple of weeks ago, and it is also two blocks from my hotel). I think I much prefer the EdT -- the parfum loses the watery transparent qualities I actually enjoy in the EdT. It's certainly still a very nice fragrance, but more overtly floral in parfum.<BR/><BR/>I completely agree with Helg about Elléna being all about the dirty! He's been quoted as being "obsessed" (I think that was his word) with Roudnitska's Eau D'Hermès (one of the dirtiest dirties I know), and I feel like Elléna's Déclaration and Cologne Bigarade, for example, are directly related to Eau D'Hermès. Also, Divine Bergamot and Rose Poivrée. Even a fragrance like Eau D'Hiver, that we think of as so light and transparent, has something in it to give it a certain skin-like warmth.Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-66489613504991010432008-11-14T22:34:00.000+01:002008-11-14T22:34:00.000+01:00Cait, that's the feeling I get. According to the H...Cait, that's the feeling I get. According to the Hermès SA I spoke with, there was some demand for a stronger concentration. Somehow I don't think it was JCE's idea...carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-82869065714477410452008-11-14T22:18:00.000+01:002008-11-14T22:18:00.000+01:00So does it seem that the parfum is aimed at making...So does it seem that the parfum is aimed at making a more conventional feminine out of the original scent?Caitlin Shortellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15580765911199060109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-11794520199212044612008-11-14T17:23:00.000+01:002008-11-14T17:23:00.000+01:00March, I agree, a fragrance you smell without any ...March, I agree, a fragrance you smell without any expectation can be appreciated in a totally different way, and the more hyped they are, the truer this seems to be. I'm kind of wondering if KC won't be the duty-free purchase of the Xmas holidays.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-28346178882475513342008-11-14T15:54:00.000+01:002008-11-14T15:54:00.000+01:00As you know already, I am very much enjoying the f...As you know already, I am very much enjoying the fragrance "revisits," which are often quite instructive in terms of my changing tastes and the passage of time.<BR/><BR/>This was a funny surprise. I didn't like Kelly Caleche much (too much rose, I said dismissively.) At Neiman Marcus a week or two ago, looking for a present for a friend, the friendly SA said, have you smelled this? and handed me a strip. I thought it was lovely and asked her what it was. Kelly Caleche! I think for me, free of any sort of expectation of what the fragrance was, I could just appreciate it as a smell -- and on my skin I get a fairly unisex drydown -- more suede gloves than leather, but certainly not floral. I am now finding myself wanting a decant.Marchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443611475172148130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-14604253365586297432008-11-13T17:21:00.000+01:002008-11-13T17:21:00.000+01:00Stella, I only read one book by Knut Hamsun, Hunge...Stella, I only read one book by Knut Hamsun, Hunger, and found it deeply disturbing by its starkness. Giono is lusher and more poetic. I think probably the "peasant" element in both authors is what generates the comparison. Ellena is not quite as rustic, or stark as all that!carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-7090045172864805482008-11-13T17:18:00.000+01:002008-11-13T17:18:00.000+01:00E., I remember our agreeing that Kelly Calèche was...E., I remember our agreeing that Kelly Calèche was probably underestimated at the time when you wrote your review. It's a strange creature, both wan and intriguing.<BR/>Now, I'll be curious as to what you say about Ellena's "dirty" side -- I perceive him, through his work of course, to be acutely sensuous and willing to explore borderline unpleasant notes (the "brackish water" side of Un Jardin Après la Mousson", for instance)... So it depends what you mean by "dirt".<BR/>And about the parcel: pas de problème! God knows what a sniffing backlog I have...carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-46501583588378109472008-11-13T11:12:00.000+01:002008-11-13T11:12:00.000+01:00(!! If Ellena is all about dirt, I really must do ...(!! If Ellena is all about dirt, I really must do something active to try more of his perfumes!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-88974780463870960672008-11-13T11:08:00.000+01:002008-11-13T11:08:00.000+01:00Agree!(I have heard Jean Giono referred to as the ...Agree!<BR/>(I have heard Jean Giono referred to as the French Knut Hamsun; if so there must be much earth, blood and elements in general in his literature. And elements there are in Ellena. But, that as "themes", his metodological priciples (simplification in all dimensions) are very modern!)<BR/><BR/>Well, I must try to smell this scent, although I prefer - if talking simplified in the language of the four (five) elements - earth and fire, above water and air (and ether).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-43727891190818141962008-11-13T11:04:00.000+01:002008-11-13T11:04:00.000+01:00D,lovely piece. You know I love Kelly Caleche and ...D,<BR/><BR/>lovely piece. You know I love <I>Kelly Caleche</I> and find it a sleeper classic. I wonder how the parfum amps the (tiny) leather.<BR/><BR/>Part of Ellena's original vision was revealed in this link, on why he didn't do a "leather" scent in the classic sense (apart from his own sensibility of not wanting to repeat but to innovate):<BR/>http://lesailes.hermes.com/us/en/<BR/>(go to the central square and then choose the interview by Ellena in French)<BR/>He was very surprised by going through the Hermes leathers rooms that the hides had a very floral, very smooth aroma which he tried to replicate (through cassie, indeed, which as you recall from the Leather Series on Perfume Shrine, is used as a leather note ~so you're right). And yes, <I>Une Fleur de Cassie</I> has that aspect too, I agree 100%. <BR/>Interesting, no?<BR/><BR/>I think JCE is all about the <I>dirty</I> actually! I realise that's a novel idea and I intend to blog about it in full. You might disagree though. ;-)<BR/><BR/>PS.You might be wondering where is that little packet I promised: it just left off the premises due to lack of time....sorry!<BR/>And apart from the expected you will find two tiny surprises of which we recently talked about ;-)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-15241997881648515352008-11-13T10:12:00.000+01:002008-11-13T10:12:00.000+01:00Jarvis, do try it: KC parfum is a bit more asserti...Jarvis, do try it: KC parfum is a bit more assertive in general, if not on the leather front.<BR/>I envy you Barcelona!carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-23346863925868625912008-11-13T07:18:00.000+01:002008-11-13T07:18:00.000+01:00Hi, D. Sorry to hear our hopes for more assertive ...Hi, D. Sorry to hear our hopes for more assertive leather dashed. Still, I look forward to trying this, as I rather like Kelly Calèche on its own terms. <BR/><BR/>(btw, I'm in Barcelona right now, and will try to get to the perfume museum later in the week).Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-81812697861305508262008-11-12T17:53:00.000+01:002008-11-12T17:53:00.000+01:00Billy, there might be leather in there, but it's a...Billy, there might be leather in there, but it's all done with mirrors, and maybe I'm not sniffing at the right angle...carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-39621184700113956782008-11-12T17:16:00.000+01:002008-11-12T17:16:00.000+01:00Wow, I would have thought that they would amp up t...Wow, I would have thought that they would amp up the leather for this one. Sad. I really need to smell doblis (love the name as well). And those vintage squat little bottles? lovely.Billy Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15773336429810369206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-46630224912890633582008-11-12T14:36:00.000+01:002008-11-12T14:36:00.000+01:00Stella P., I've heard Ellena comparing his approac...Stella P., I've heard Ellena comparing his approach to Cézanne's watercolours, and claim Jean Giono as an inspiration (both Provençal references), but I've always had the feeling that he was much more modern in his work than in his tastes.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-12147233549716551482008-11-12T13:23:00.000+01:002008-11-12T13:23:00.000+01:00wow, thank you for this combination of Twombly and...wow, thank you for this combination of Twombly and Ellena, they indeed fit very nicely together! Twombly's cerebral, pared-down asceticism resonates well with Ellena's. I haven't had the fortune to smell this scent, but can imagine that it was difficult for Ellena to force himself to let anything like the material dense leather to become manifest!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-71756764503314152842008-11-12T07:40:00.000+01:002008-11-12T07:40:00.000+01:00Thanks, Dusan. Although disappointment may be too ...Thanks, Dusan. Although disappointment may be too strong a word: I really like KC and enjoy wearing what's left of my samples -- in fact, if a bottle came my way, I think I'd often reach for it. Its wan charms can really grow on you.<BR/>It's just that I'm one of the unfortunates who can't get the leather effect, though I do get it in say, Une Fleur de Cassie, which isn't sold as a leather scent at all! It's just too discreet (for me).carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-79855114307615604042008-11-12T07:35:00.000+01:002008-11-12T07:35:00.000+01:00Lunarose... I take it that's a delighted exclamati...Lunarose... I take it that's a delighted exclamation? I thought Twombly and Ellena were a good fit.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-64607968992391104602008-11-12T07:34:00.000+01:002008-11-12T07:34:00.000+01:00+Q, bem vinda! This is really more of a change of ...+Q, bem vinda! This is really more of a change of concentration than a new fragrance, though of course I'm sure it was reworked a bit to accomodate this new concentration.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-67537060650774666322008-11-12T04:26:00.000+01:002008-11-12T04:26:00.000+01:00"[...] the amphibian vegetal-animal mutant it was ..."[...] the amphibian vegetal-animal mutant it was when it crawled out of the garden after a storm" - this, actually the entire post that just smolders with puns, is enough to make me chuckle for a week, at least. Thanks for taking a stab at KC the parfum for us, though it's a pity that it was based on a disappointment. <BR/>Another great visual: "the drizzle has stopped and the flowers have been sponged off" LOL! Brava!Dusanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06499372234215611666noreply@blogger.com