tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post1784445948680246376..comments2024-03-29T09:11:58.393+01:00Comments on Grain de musc: L'Eau Serge Lutens: Fade to Whitecarmencanada /Grain de Muschttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-74008509201144248682010-02-15T10:19:36.856+01:002010-02-15T10:19:36.856+01:00Rose, I'm never really in an anti-perfume mood...Rose, I'm never really in an anti-perfume mood myself, but sometimes the nose-brain connection just needs a rest, doesn't it?carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-6961524518936048832010-02-15T10:08:14.692+01:002010-02-15T10:08:14.692+01:00I love when I'm in an anti perfume mood I don&...I love when I'm in an anti perfume mood I don't wear any!Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08459305021803770946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-10590779919423365822010-02-14T19:32:21.749+01:002010-02-14T19:32:21.749+01:00Silvia: I say go with MKK! I'm sure Serge will...Silvia: I say go with MKK! I'm sure Serge will understand. I certainly do...carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-11064423015191720892010-02-14T19:25:33.020+01:002010-02-14T19:25:33.020+01:00Hi Denyse and all you perfume-lovers!
I've als...Hi Denyse and all you perfume-lovers!<br />I've also received a sample from his website..and...no,don't think I'd buy it. I just can't cope with putting the words "serge" and "clean" in the same sentence.You could indeed see this as the most rebellious frag he's ever done (rebellious with himself!), but if I want clean,I can go for the white or green Bulgari teas..or even CK one..I mean,ok,it's good, and he did succeed, but I just don't feel like that society he's talking about, who's desperate for something "clean"!As a rebellious answer to this release, I've finally decided to buy MKK.Whaddaya think about that, Mr.Lutens??? :)<br /><br />Greetings from Spain,<br />SilviaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-7648859993271808872010-02-13T22:41:12.866+01:002010-02-13T22:41:12.866+01:00Alyssa, "clean" must be, for a lot of pe...Alyssa, "clean" must be, for a lot of people who don't have much vocabulary for fragrance, another word for "fresh" -- "fresh" being SAs' favorite word to draw customers in. The opposite I guess is "perfume-y", as in "this feels like an alien presence on me". I think the likes of loud fruity florals, stomach-churning gourmands and clear-the-room florals are to blame for that. <br />A little pedagogy -- and an introduction to more interesting, yet unobtrusive scents -- could go a long way. When one has the time and patience! ;-)carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-48089819417179644362010-02-13T22:36:51.424+01:002010-02-13T22:36:51.424+01:00Flora, true, if this draws people to the line who ...Flora, true, if this draws people to the line who might go on to enjoy some of the more delicate scents in it -- Fleurs de Citronnier or Gris Clair, for instance, why not? I'm all for Serge Lutens picking up new adepts and making tons of money in the process, so that the house goes on producing the scents I *do* love.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-41662394531942421082010-02-13T22:28:26.670+01:002010-02-13T22:28:26.670+01:00I too love the illustration--for a moment I though...I too love the illustration--for a moment I thought it was an ad for a perfume called "puragatorio" and was looking forward to that review...<br /><br />As for the reasons behind the launch, and all the ladies who just want to be clean--oh, I don't know. <br /><br />I am in full sympathy with Style Spy's reaction--my mother was very strict about there being no food fussiness in our house and it feels like the same thing, as though they are being fussy little children, which makes me want to shake them (there's a reason I have no children...). <br /><br />On the other hand, when I tamp down my reaction and introduce them to some perfumes I often find that it's a vocabulary problem not a personal defect. They have neither the language to describe what they want nor the olfactory memories at hand to draw comparisons. They just don't want to smell like Giorgio Red. (I do wish they wouldn't draw up their lips in that little sneer of horror, though, when they say "perfume"... *sigh*)<br /><br />I can only hope L'eau Lutens will lead to some chance encounters with the rest of the line for those who might otherwise be afraid.Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08651065872724626149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-81988445411834078242010-02-13T22:26:55.258+01:002010-02-13T22:26:55.258+01:00Well, this does not sound like "me" at a...Well, this does not sound like "me" at all but I will certainly try it out. Maybe it is what Fernando said - an example of how to do this style better than others can, as well as a way to open the appeal of the line up to customers who would never dream of wearing MKK or even Arabie. For my part I adore the other "anti-Serge", Nuit de Cellophane, so I am keeping an open mind.Florahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00510346346502906435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-19884739578521056402010-02-13T22:25:04.753+01:002010-02-13T22:25:04.753+01:00Kit, I'd thought of the "judge in love wi...Kit, I'd thought of the "judge in love with the accused" bit as a riff on Jean Genet, an author Serge Lutens says he loves -- he gives "The Miracle of the Rose" as his favorite book.<br />But if the accused is fragrance, then "clean" as in "I'm clean, I don't have anything to hide" makes sense. Especially given Mr. Lutens' unusually un-enigmatic discourse about it, and the venue of its presentation, not the Palais Royal but a nearly empty room in a Mallet-Stevens building.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-56953278796854913752010-02-13T20:54:54.175+01:002010-02-13T20:54:54.175+01:00Interesting question! High olfactory volume is in...Interesting question! High olfactory volume is indeed what I meant - also more conventional odour. But (call it "puzzle migration" perhaps, if not in nose then in brain), I'm now wondering if this isn't really just the sort of thing we might have expected. <br /><br />Reflecting on that interview - the one where he says he is a judge in love with the accused - and speaks in various ways of a fragrance stripped bare, just itself, etc. - that would be very much what this one is. When I think of "clean" not as the absence of "dirt" but like the protest of an accused, made while turning out his pockets - the emphatically asserted absence of anything hidden, more than simple absence itself - the fragrance makes sense within the "logic of Lutens". <br /><br />Maybe I'll give it another try with that in mind. Don't think I'll necessarily like it better, but perhaps I'll at least understand it more.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18107637337384810066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-82632814189969133362010-02-13T08:42:31.293+01:002010-02-13T08:42:31.293+01:00Kit, "noisy" is an interesting way to pu...Kit, "noisy" is an interesting way to put it. Aldehydes are high frequency; musks are an invasive buzz. The construction is relatively spare, though. Is noisiness the perception of high olfactory volume, or just the feeling you're being invaded by a music you wouldn't have chosen?carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-65565314189498339642010-02-13T01:45:31.588+01:002010-02-13T01:45:31.588+01:00Was sent a sample so have had a try, and was disap...Was sent a sample so have had a try, and was disappointed. Perhaps it was my expectations - I had been anticipating something more intriguing - something slightly indecipherable and hard to figure or, for that matter, even to smell - something along the lines of L'Antimatiere. But it just seemed "clean" with a capital C - so, paradoxically, not clean at all. Noisy noisy and not quiet. I do understand the impulse - though - to keep revolutionizing oneself, so at least I've got the theory if not the practice.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18107637337384810066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-3093385130815947402010-02-12T23:18:24.689+01:002010-02-12T23:18:24.689+01:00Tara, as I said above, it'll be quite interest...Tara, as I said above, it'll be quite interesting to find out what the next scent will be about. Mr. Lutens certainly has more tricks up his sleeve...carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-34496115814900481112010-02-12T21:11:54.074+01:002010-02-12T21:11:54.074+01:00Clearly I am not the target market for this scent....Clearly I am not the target market for this scent... but I guess commercially it is a good move for him. It certainly is a departure for the line... maybe he's looking to go in a different direction in future.Tara Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-32311858513465010322010-02-12T10:17:50.363+01:002010-02-12T10:17:50.363+01:00Jared, I love Madeline von Foerster's work. Sh...Jared, I love Madeline von Foerster's work. She did a whole series on the steps of the alchemical process. It's not the first time I've used her work to illustrate Lutens. Though his aesthetics as a photographer are very different, the alchemical metaphor always springs to mind.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-58109689625549081872010-02-12T10:06:12.491+01:002010-02-12T10:06:12.491+01:00It would be interesting to smell this at some poin...It would be interesting to smell this at some point (not that I'm rushing) since I somehow magnify the sweetness in Lutens' fragrances to the point where I may now have diabetes. <br /><br />But the attention-grabber for me was the picture you posted (in the English version). I love that alchemical imagery! It looks more like the sublimatio to me, which strikes me as a very apt stage of the process for something like a "clean" fragrance.Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09424300101969094900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-47439760468523039762010-02-12T09:33:21.308+01:002010-02-12T09:33:21.308+01:00Anonymous, thanks! Listen, who knows what's go...Anonymous, thanks! Listen, who knows what's going on? A need to renew himself; a need to appeal to a wider market he's never going to nab with his current collections. The question is: what's he going to come up with in the non-export collection. Until then we won't know.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-15627905119288544022010-02-12T07:26:39.113+01:002010-02-12T07:26:39.113+01:00I'm so confused-- why is he going in this dire...I'm so confused-- why is he going in this direction? Do you have any clues?<br /><br />Rather selfishly, it puts me in a panic-- I'm just learning about perfume and SL was the line that jumpstarted my madness. They don't all work on my skin, but he seems to have a fascinating aesthetic and an impressive reach in ideas. And now he's going all clean on us? Pooh. <br /><br />I'm going to sit in the corner with my Bois de Violette and sulk.<br /><br />BTW, I love your blog; I'm learning a ton reading it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-79778359597199216332010-02-12T01:45:11.182+01:002010-02-12T01:45:11.182+01:00Rappleyea, when I was invited to the presentation ...Rappleyea, when I was invited to the presentation of Serge Lutens' "anti-perfume", I was envisioning something a lot more radical, perhaps some piece of olfactory research in confidential/art gallery quantities. <br />Amongst the (mostly clueless) beauty editors, I was probably the only one with a deeply puzzled look on my face while smelling the strip.<br />And taking sniffs of my Bois de Violette-scented wrist to reassure myself that I hadn't entered a parallel universe.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-90413460202900834772010-02-12T01:42:01.225+01:002010-02-12T01:42:01.225+01:00Nathan, notwithstanding the commercial purpose of ...Nathan, notwithstanding the commercial purpose of the addition to the line, it's still incongruous to see it in this particular house. Of course the new type of bottle seems to indicate that it could be the start of a new line.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-88508484171924395082010-02-12T01:39:58.328+01:002010-02-12T01:39:58.328+01:00Christopher, you most certainly can. Although I th...Christopher, you most certainly can. Although I think it may be more of a cult than a fanclub.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-50557017541340140382010-02-12T01:39:13.681+01:002010-02-12T01:39:13.681+01:00Dusan, L'ESL is not hugely aldehydic -- marked...Dusan, L'ESL is not hugely aldehydic -- markedly less so the Clair de Musc, for instance. <br />La Myrrhe is the line's hidden gem. A descendant of N°5 by way of the Bible.carmencanada /Grain de Muschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046101625425953248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-16040375410789349712010-02-12T00:46:29.554+01:002010-02-12T00:46:29.554+01:00"...but you could do a lot worse if you’re lo..."...but you could do a lot worse if you’re looking for a clean scent (which, if you’re reading me, you might not be)."<br /><br />Yep! That would be right. And I also agree that if I'm in an "anti-scent" mood, I just don't wear any. But I think Nathan has nailed this - it's an attempt to capture another segment of the market.Rappleyeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05368969125735482669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-2205900613805212452010-02-12T00:15:33.097+01:002010-02-12T00:15:33.097+01:00I'm actually looking forward to this release. ...I'm actually looking forward to this release. I know a number of people who wouldn't have the foggiest idea what to do with a traditional Serge Lutens fragrance, but would wear the h*ll out a well-composed clean scent.<br /><br />So yeah, I think this is kind of a brilliant addition to the Lutens lineup.Nathan Branchhttp://www.nathanbranch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4922907157797061660.post-43947640461639515972010-02-12T00:03:31.567+01:002010-02-12T00:03:31.567+01:00D. and Dusan, Can I please join that fan club?!D. and Dusan, Can I please join that fan club?!Vetivressehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184229271272395673noreply@blogger.com